Posts by Devils Advocate

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I've just discovered something cuz I'm smart.

by gumby in

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i noticed the names on the page that shows the thread titles, thread author, and last poster, ( whatever that page is called) has some names starting with capital letters, and some not.

does changing our name on our profile page alter that?

i suppose i could try it and see if it works........ couldn't i now?.

Devils Advocate

I have a question for all you smart people. I'm dumb so pardon my ignorance, please?

How do you cut and copy someone else's thread and post it in yours -- w/yeloow highlighted around it? I can't do it. I just can't do it!

Oh, and how do you put a picture in your message like you guys do? I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall now...

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

by Voyager in

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What is a Farkel? Sounds like the cross between a salad tong and a late night swim.

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How do you handle JWs interacting with your children?

by Nosferatu in

this has been on my mind lately.

i'll probably end up having kids in the near future, and i would not want my mother preaching to my children.. so, i must ask, how do you handle your jw relatives who try to preach to your children?

how do you deal with a "gift" like my book of bs?

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Gypsy --

You couldn't be more right! Conditional Love is like artifcial sweetner. It might taste good for a moment or two but there's that god-awful aftertaste that just won't go away.

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

by Voyager in

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NO Apologies -

Your ad hominen attacks abound. Too bad you can't back up your words with anything other than personal attacks. But then, I guess old JW tactics are a diffucult skin to shed, arent they, oh holy of holies?

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Were you illegally disfellowshipped?

by hubert in

based on "official" bible based doctrine, were you "illegally disfellowshipped?

i have been reading many threads on disfellowsipping, and it makes me wonder if there were many who were disassociated, or thrown out of the org.

for reasons other than what the watchtower officially teaches?

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Legally speaking, if a dub has been disfellowshippped w/o the congregation following the official written Brooklyn protocals, that congregation can be sued in a civil court of law. There have been instances where this sort of thing has happened although few in number.

Only reason I know of this is due to a discussion I had with my brother (who is an elder) a few years back. At the time he was angry at the congregation and, in his time of weakness, chose to use apostate me as his sounding board. Actually it goes quite deeper than that but it would take too long to describe the whole discussion. But in some cases, the chickens do come home to roost.

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

by Voyager in

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Bitter? Definately. You would be too if you lost your family to the LIE.

Twisted? Definately not. Judgemental -- yes. But my logic is no more twisted than that of others who have seen the beast face to face. I just don't cut the JW's any slack. And why should I? All they do is foster the destruction of close knit families (read: shunning) cause death (read: blood issue) and harbor fugitives (read: child molestation).

It may be a hardlined approach but so is the WT's.
Patton didn't defeat the Germans by sending them candy kisses now did he?

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

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Hey NO EXCUSES -

Looks like you really do make excuses -- at least for old JW's.

Your eclesiastical yet ever-condescending attitude is humerous, oh holy one. To quote that great sage, Bugs Bunny, let me exclaim, "It is to laugh."

Funny, but I don't remember asking your permission to voice my opinions nor do I really care what you think of those opinions. If you want to forgive the old man and have warm fuzzy feelings, knock yourself out. Oh, and yes, I know you don't give a damn if I dislike or disagree with your opinions either. Guess I'll just have to suck it up and get over it. Ah, well, life's a bitch sometimes...

In answer to your ad hominem attack, YES, I did read the article and YES I will condemn him, "victim" or not. If the world used your reasoning we would be forgiving SS death camp guards because they were, in reality, thoroughly brainwashed by the cult of Nazism. They were "victims" too, after all. I'm not kidding here -- Nazis were victomized just like you and me. Maybe, when we were out knocking on doors every Saturday and being good little stooges we weren't gassing anyone or lining up people for a firing squad. We were, however, supporting an organization that is responsible for the death of millions, which made us (and all JW's) defacto culprits. But I'm glad you have it in your heart to forgive those hapless JW's because, god knows, I sure as hell don't. But then, you've always been straining for sainthood, haven't you? -- while I've wasted my time at the devil's table. Lord have mercy.

I knew the WT was refuse at the early age of 15. I didnt' have to spend my lifetime altering a theology (like our 85 yr. old friend) to fit my needs just to keep a support group around me. I made my decision, knowing I would face shunning from all of my family, and I had the integrity (and balls) to get out. Period. I did not support the LIE and I did not put money into the hands of child rapists, child molesters, family demolition experts, and exponents of insanity. I did not aid the benevolant gang of shunners, nor did I support the anti-blood murder Gulag. In short, I washed my hands of the blood I had so eagerly thrust them into as a child. Oh, and I'm glad you have it in you to forgive me of my former sins, Oh Mighty Lord of Hosts No-Excuse. God knows I couldnt sleep tonight if I didn't have you as my contritionist. Praise be.

If you think my reasoning is harsh I suggest you climb down from your celestial perch and visit a family who has lost someone because the boys in Brooklyn convinced the "victim" to refuse blood. If you think my reasoning is harsh I suggest you take the heavenly elevator downtown to visit some of the ex-JW parents who literally have lost their children (and grandchildren) because the boys in Brooklyn convinced the kids to shun mom and dad. If you think my reasoning is harsh I suggest you stop polishing your halo long enough to visit a few victims of JW molestation and child abuse -- true victims -- and maybe chat with their parents a bit too (while you're at it, why not tell those parents how they too should forgive the JW's that molested their kids AND the rank and file JW support group. Share with them your theology of hapless victimhood and absolution. I'm sure they'll welcome your ideas with open arms.).

You see, I believe that if you support an evil organization you are evil too. Even if you are an 85 year old man. But then, what do I know? A sinner like me is too unworthy to see the wisdom of your most holy and canonical utterances. Will you find it in your heart to grant me absolution? What do you say my great Messiah-No Excuses? Forgive me? Please? Hmmm?

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

by Voyager in

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I don't mean to be heartless about this old fellow -- well, strike that -- yes I do!

Forgive me, but how many families has this old geezer helped destroy over ther last 50 years by preaching JW dogma? How many child molesters has he set in motion by supporting a corrupt organization? How many people have had to face mental illness because of his "bringing them into the "truth"? How many shunnings have been iniated because of his blind faith in a man-made book publishing cult?

My grandmother brought the LIE into my family. It literally tore my family apart at the seams. I left the LIE at age 15 and have faced shunning from my family ever since. It's not a stretch for me to say that, as a result, I HATE everything JW and loath everything Watchtower.

Perhaps the old boy got what was coming to him...

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How do you handle JWs interacting with your children?

by Nosferatu in

this has been on my mind lately.

i'll probably end up having kids in the near future, and i would not want my mother preaching to my children.. so, i must ask, how do you handle your jw relatives who try to preach to your children?

how do you deal with a "gift" like my book of bs?

Devils Advocate

My mother tried influencing my daughters when they were little (under age 7). They are now 13 and 11. I told my mother to stop reading the Lie-Society's literature to my girls and she flat out refused. So I told her if she didn't stop she wouldn't see my girls again and I would file child abuse charges against her as well as a civil suit if necessary.

My oldest brother, who was a raving JW lunatic MS at the time, had just had his daughter taken from him by family services for punishing her a tad more than logic called for -- all in the name of Jerkovah -- and that experience scared my mother badly. All I had to say to her was "family services" and "lawsuit" and she quit preaching overnight.

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2am visit from elders. Car chase!

by kwintestal in

to get a break from my jw parents when i was 17 (i'm 25 now) i took an apartment of my own.

i was working full time and going to school.

a busy schedule that allowed me to miss meetings without them constantly hounding me.

Devils Advocate

My disfellowshipping came months later which is a story in itself as my apartment at the time was illegally entered and searched for evidence against me. I'll tell that one another time! You've piqued our interest! Tell us about the illegal entry and search!